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Why do we continue to paint cars with oil based compounds; plastics, solvents, resins, etc?

It's surely the least (or at least, not the most) efficient method for preserving ferrous metals.

Just +10.5% chromium content will resist corrosion under normal atmospheric conditions, and it'll look good. And if chromium is too expensive, it can be electroplated via electrolysis, as with gold-plated jewellery.

Supplemental quote regarding stainess steel, from Wikipedia:


"..stainless steels contain sufficient chromium to undergo passivation, spontaneously forming a microscopically thin inert surface film of chromium oxide by reaction with the oxygen in air and even the small amount of dissolved oxygen in water. This passive film prevents further corrosion by blocking oxygen diffusion to the steel surface and thus prevents corrosion from spreading into the bulk of the metal. This film is self-repairing if it is scratched or temporarily disturbed by an upset condition in the environment that exceeds the inherent corrosion resistance of that grade."


Otherwise, we could use any other malleable alloy that won't expand, or become porous, and flake as it oxidizes; or even something that seals itself off from the environment (like stainless steels), then induce the process. Again, if that's too expensive, an electrolytic process can be used, as with anodized aluminium.

These (and likely more) techniques, have additional practical benefits. Three immediately come to mind:

  1. No runs or drips.

  2. You can't paint what you can't reach. Want to paint the cavity between two sheets of metal (perhaps a bonnet/hood or trunk/boot-lid) so they don't rust again? Good luck with that.

  3. Plastic (i.e. painted) barriers are likely around three orders of magnitude thicker than electrolytically deposited barriers. What? Consider the difference between a metre and a kilometre. That's three orders of magnitude, and the relative difference between microns & millimetres. And then? Paint a bolt. The whole thing. Yes, including the thread. Primer, several coats, and clear. Now do the nut. When they're ready, try uniting them without stripping the paint. You can't. In many cases (particularly with fine threads), the thread won't really resemble much of a thread at all; each layer brings the valleys closer to the peaks, and tolerance is exceeded.

Supplemental quote regarding electrochemical passivation & oxide coatings from Wikipedia:


"Bluing is a passivation process in which steel is partially protected against rust, and is named after the blue-black appearance of the resulting protective finish. True gun bluing is an electrochemical conversion coatingresulting from an oxidizing chemical reaction with iron on the surface selectively forming magnetite (Fe3O4), the black oxide of iron. Black oxide provides minimal protection against corrosion, unless also treated with a water-displacing oil to reduce wetting and galvanic action. A distinction can be made between traditional bluing and some other more modern black oxide coatings, although bluing is a subset of black oxide coatings."


Threaded, anodized, metallic components aren't uncommon, and can be coloured/personalised relatively easily: enter image description here enter image description here


Likewise, stainless steels can be textured and coloured: enter image description here

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    The DeLorean DMC-12 actually did use stainless steel body panels. The wikipedia entry has some info on the pros and cons of that decision. I would guess that the reason more companies don't use SS mostly comes down to cost. I believe most modern cars currently use galvanized steel as much as possible. Commented Aug 15, 2018 at 14:27
  • two words : speed & cost...
    – Solar Mike
    Commented Aug 15, 2018 at 14:42
  • From the perspective of a corrosion specialist; Protective coatings , aka "paint" is generally the "best" way to protect steel from atmospheric corrosion . Commented Aug 16, 2018 at 0:05
  • @blacksmith37 I don't believe that's true. Are you saying that you do?
    – voices
    Commented Aug 19, 2018 at 13:51
  • I know it ;I think a lot of other people do also , judging from the very many billion $ spent every year to protect steel from corrosion. For a price you can put some stainless and aluminum panels on cars , buses, etc, but generally too expensive. Commented Aug 20, 2018 at 14:43

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Presently, if you need to repair a vehicle, you order the panel and it comes in primer. You then order the correct paint from the thousands of shades available based on the vehicles paint code and apply it.

If cars came with a coloured finish already applied to the panels, you'd need to have a stock of every possible repair panel in every possible colour combination.

Also, not all car panels are metal. Many modern cars have plastic front wings (fenders) which have to match the colour of the rest of the bodywork. Painting these instantly gives the same shade of colour as the metal panels.

Most modern car paint is water, not oil based.

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NOTE: This answer is put here to add to Steve Matthews answer, as he has given some very compelling reasons.

I want to talk to the three points you've added:

These (and likely more) techniques, have additional practical benefits. Three immediately come to mind:

  1. No runs or drips.

While you are right there's no "runs, drips, or errors" with electroplating, car manufacturers have spray painting down to a fine art with regards to vehicles coming off the assembly line. If I were to wager a guess, over 90% of the cars produced in the US are painted on an assembly line where robots are used to ensure accurate painting. Here there are so few "runs, drips, or errors", it's almost not worth mentioning. The robots are that good.

  1. You can't paint what you can't reach. Want to paint the cavity between two sheets of metal (perhaps a bonnet/hood or trunk/boot-lid) so they don't rust again? Good luck with that.

You don't need to paint between layers, because primer/sealer will do the job for you. Again, many cars today use a dipping process where the entire body is dunked, then flipped within a bath of primer/sealer. This ensures COMPLETE coverage of all surfaces to prevent rust and corrosion. This process is good enough for the manufacturers to warranty rust through of body surfaces for many years after the automobile is put together.

  1. Plastic (i.e. painted) barriers are likely around three orders of magnitude thicker than electrolytically deposited barriers. What? Consider the difference between a metre and a kilometre. That's three orders of magnitude, and the relative difference between microns & millimetres. And then? Paint a bolt. The whole thing. Yes, including the thread. Primer, several coats, and clear. Now do the nut. When they're ready, try uniting them without stripping the paint. You can't. In many cases (particularly with fine threads), the thread won't really resemble much of a thread at all; each layer brings the valleys closer to the peaks, and tolerance is exceeded.

Most bolts don't get painted, unless it's the head of the bolt (because it is holding body panels together before and after the painting process). There's no real need to. If there is a specific need for a bolt to need corrosion resistance, they will zinc plate it or put some other form of corrosion inhibitor onto the fixture. Most nuts/bolts don't need it though. Even then, most manufacturers don't worry about it.

There are two things you need to remember here.

  1. Exactly what Solar Mike said in the comments: "two words : speed & cost" ... The manufacturers are trying to produce the vehicles as inexpensive as possible. The more it costs them to produce, the more they pass onto the consumer. And no matter where you go, time is money.
  2. Cars aren't made to last forever. Manufacturers would be stupid to even attempt it. Their whole game plan is for the car you buy to last you for several years at which point you'll come back and purchase a new one from them. If they made cars which lasted forever, you'd never have to come back. Besides, nobody that I'm aware of has produced a perfect machine (of any sort) which doesn't wear out of some kind of time period. They just don't exist.
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  • I'm not making things up. The points I mentioned are a direct result of specific problems that I've personally encountered; and continue to encounter on all kinds of vehicles. Old, new, custom, refurbished, vintage classics, sports/racing, industrial, showcars, daily drivers, motorcycles, you name it.
    – voices
    Commented Aug 19, 2018 at 13:49
  • @tjt263 - I don't believe I said you were making things up. I believe you don't understand economics and how the auto industry is run. Neither what Steve said nor what I've said here are off base. You are looking for perfect vehicles in an imperfect world. Commented Aug 19, 2018 at 14:45

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