About two months ago the battery died and we replaced it with a new one.

In the past week the car was sounding more and more reluctant to start. Meaning, when you turned the key, instead of a vroom you heard nnn...nnn...vroom.

The reluctant nnnns became more and more until one day the car would not start at all.

Luckily, I was at home and brought out the Schummann charger. Plugged it in at 50 amps direct start, and it worked.

Went on errands but did not turn off the car (wife jumped out to buy things) and came home. Car worked perfectly well, lights and heater going.

Next day, not even jumping it with 50 amps worked. Dashboard lights do come on, but when you twist the key there's just silence.

What suspicions do you immediately get?

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My immediate suspicion is that 50 amps isn't enough to start a car. If you let the 50amp charger charge the car for a while and the battery still has some life left, it may for example put 500 amp-seconds over 10 seconds at a current of 50 amps into the battery, which the battery will provide back as 500 amp-seconds @ 1 seconds and 500 amps. 500 amps for 1 second is plenty to start a car.

Now, if the battery is dying, there will be a point where it doesn't accept even the 500 amp-seconds needed to start the car.

In the best case, the battery is just nearly completely dead, so that it provides enough juice to show the dashboard lights but not enough to even start rotating the starter motor.

In the worst case, your attempt to start the car with feeble buffering in the electrical system (dying battery), some electronics in the car may have been damaged.

What you did was wrong. Don't attempt to start a car with a charger attached on it! If the battery is suspected to be dying, continuing to drive with the car may damage the electrical systems of the car as the dying battery provides less and less electrical buffering, and some day an electrical spike from the alternator zaps something expensive!

To me, it was clear the battery was dying and it should have been replaced.

Replace the battery and hope for the best...

Edit: only afterwards did I notice that the battery was replaced with a new one two months ago. It may be the case the alternator is not charging it properly, causing even the new battery to die. Two months of too little charging can do pretty serious damage to lead-acid batteries that don't want to stay flat for an extended amount of time.

So, my advice would be to (1) charge the battery slowly, trying to salvage it, (2) load-test it with an automotive 12V bulb to see how many amp-hours it has (beware, the bulb will become hot!), (3) if you can't salvage the battery, replace it, (4) find the root cause of your battery failures, may be related to the alternator.

A long time ago, I had a 1989 Opel Vectra that was reluctant to start. Suspected the battery, but wasn't the battery. The cause was a broken ECU relay.

  • Thanks, I ass/u/med that providing 50 amps to the car directly from the house would bypass any battery problems. The Schummer has two modes - battery charger, and car jumper (the 50 amp mode). I was not in charger mode when I tried to start the car as described above. I was in car jumper mode. The city power grid was acting as my battery, and delivering 50 amps. Since the usual battery power is 14 amps, I thought that 50 amps would start the car for sure. I guess not? Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 22:10
  • I don't think 50 amps will start a car, but if the battery charger has an integrated battery, it could perhaps do that, giving more current than 50 amps. Not sure of your battery charger specs...
    – juhist
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 22:13
  • Plus 1, comprehensive, nice.
    – Solar Mike
    Commented Mar 17, 2019 at 3:42

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