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Consider F1 or NASCAR race cars. From what I understand these cars are not subjected to undulating troubling roads that produce heavy pitching or bouncy motions. The tracks seem pretty levelled. enter image description here

enter image description here As for rolling, wouldn't there be no rolling if there were no suspensions in the first place. So, then why do these cars require suspensions ? Why add extra weight ?

  • Also, some races require vehicles to be models that are available for purchase and legal to use on public roads. Removing consumer trim would be okay, but removing "non-removable" parts would be against the spirit and letter of the requirement. – Criggie May 14 '17 at 7:59
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    Race tracks are relatively smooth, but not perfect. Look up old F1 races: they regularly had sparks coming from where the car's chassis hit the track. And the kerbstones (those yellow/red striped areas in the first image) are considered to be part of the track, so every racecar driver drives over them. Those can be quite bumpy. – Hobbes May 15 '17 at 13:39
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    What kind of F1 or NASCAR are you repairing or maintaining? – cory May 15 '17 at 14:10
  • Among other things - without springs, whenever you turn, it would be a lot easier for the inside wheels to come off of the ground. And, those tracks aren't as smooth as you might think. – 3Dave May 15 '17 at 18:10
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Suspensions do two things:

  • they smooth out a bumpy ride, and as such are more of a comfort thing. In fact, production cars have their suspensions tuned at the factory for some kind of compromise between comfort and performance. F1 and NASCAR will have a tuning leaning heavily towards performance, of course. If you drive different cars, you will notice that, on the same road, some cars will feel very smooth and even while others will give you a bumpier ride. You will also notice that taking the same corners at the same speeds with different cars, some cars will just stay mostly level, while others will lean very heavily. This is all about the tuning of the suspension: do you want to drive a comfortable couch or a sporty go-kart?
  • they press the tires into the pavement, and try to keep them pressed in despite the road's unevenness and the driver's driving

That last bit also needs to be split into two, as there are two things the suspension is fighting against in order to keep the tires pressed into the pavement:

  • road unevenness: basically, those bumps, potholes, soft curbs, even just a change in profiling from transition from a flat road to an uphill and vice versa. F1 and NASCAR also need this, as oval racing has banked curves transitioning into a flat apron, and road courses have kerbs.
  • driver's driving: basically, just about anything you do with the steering wheel, accelerator and brake pedal at speeds above 20 kph will literally throw the car's weight around. Uneven weight distribution will cause wheels to lock (under braking) or skid (during steering) or slip (during acceleration). If we look at the last case (acceleration), the weight shifts towards the back, placing more weight on the rear wheels and less weight on the front wheel. If the car is front-wheel drive, the reduced weight at the front will make it easier for the front wheels to break traction, and therefore slip, whereas a rear-wheel car will benefit from the weight shifting at the rear under acceleration and help the tires keep traction. The suspension is working to reduce this weight transfer.

Since F1 cars and NASCARs do a lot of accelerating, braking and steering, their performance will benefit from a properly tuned suspension.

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Weight transfer is a component of physics and Mother Nature.

Most folks are painfully deluded into thinking things like "sway bars" and "anti-roll bars", "stiff springs" and such prevent weight transfer. Just plain wrong.

The truth is NOTHING prevents weight transfer. You might be able to keep tire contact patches flatter on the surface to provide more "traction" and "cornering force". But also understand that everything you do with an independent suspension to reduce the "independence" between sides HURTS one end of the vehicle or the other.

Huh? While the effect of larger anti-roll bars or stiffer springs might be a net-sum gain in cornering performance, it does so by balancing the roll couples in such a way to take ultimate performance away from one side or end, the goal being to balance the vehicle and have more neutral roll couples.

It's a fancy way of saying if you have 4 fingers on your right hand and 5 on your left, you can cut off a left-hand finger for more balance. No suspension spring or lever or torsion bar device "adds a finger".

SO.... [cough]

Suspension on an F1 car, or simply any car, even on mirror glass smooth courses is absolutely essential. It employs clever physics and aerodynamic downforce to sneak up on Mother Nature and go faster. These guys are the absolute bleeding edge of performance, with bajillions behnd them.

Heck, I rememeber when Ferrari (I think; I'm old) made an upper control arm (one piece!) that didn't need a spring - it had a flat section of some odd laminate material that flexed and served as a spring as well as the control arm. They cost thousands each, and had to be replaced after every race due to fatigue.

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Racing cars, especially single seaters do indeed have very stiff suspension with relatively little travel, in an F1 car something like 50% of suspension travel comes from the flex of the tyres.

Performance cars are subject to very high loads whenever they accelerate, brake or change direction, ultimately these loads are transferred to the track by the tyres and the amount of load a tyre can transmit before it begins to slide is a function of the vertical load pushing it down onto the track.

A big part of the role of the suspension is to control how these forces are distributed between the tyres. This is further complicated by the fact that cars with down-force generating bodywork are very sensitive to changes in ride height and rake angle, especially in the case of ground-effect down force.

Equally ride height and rake angle can be affected by speed, at higher speeds wings produce more down force and thus more compression the suspension.

Race suspension also supplies adjust-ability no vehicle is perfectly stiff there will always be some flex in the body and tyres but adjustable suspension allows the mechanical behaviors of the chassis to be adjusted very precisely. Bear in mind here that we are talking about very fine margins of performance and complex interactions between, the chassis, tyres and aerodynamics.

It is also important to bear in mind that race tracks are not necessarily perfectly smooth and at racing speeds (the average speed of an F1 car is something like 120 mph) the effect of even modest irregularities in the track surface is greatly magnified. Equally most tracks have substantially raised curbs which the cars need to be able to clip (at least) for best performance.

It is also worth adding that the wheels need to be attached to the car somehow and the loads are the same whether the beams holding them on are moving or not so it's debatable whether there would be any significant weight saving in doing away with suspension. Bearing in mind also that F1 cars usually use torsion springs which are pretty tiny.

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Monaco, an F1 track, is on public roads ok obviously closed for the race, but not perfectly smooth so suspension is still needed also for the effect of weight transfer.

  • Doubt : would a car roll if there are no suspensions ? – RedHelmet May 13 '17 at 20:50
  • compare a car going round a corner to a bicycle ... think of the forces and the angles of tyre cf road – Solar Mike May 13 '17 at 20:52
  • @user115962 Cars can roll even with a suspension. – tlhIngan May 14 '17 at 1:08
  • likewise the track in singapore is a regular road. They quite literally just close off the sections the race is on. – Journeyman Geek May 14 '17 at 9:38

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