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Working on diagnosing an evap/emission/fuel system problem on my Toyota 2003 Corolla. More on that in this question.

On 3/2, I saw a mechanic use his handheld OBD to read a code P0420. On 3/12, without any code resets, I got my Ozzy OBD reader and read code P0440 using Torque.

I understand that sometimes later codes change because of faults in earlier codes, but I don't believe I've ever seen the primary and only fault change. Is this normal variance that I (because of my inexperience) just haven't seen, or is it indicative of something deeper?

Updates

  • 3/15: After a reset drive cycle, the new code read is P0446.
  • 3/16: After a reset drive cycle, the new code read is P0420. Have confirmed cat failure, so this code seems correct.
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The P0420 and P0440 are completely unrelated (other than both being related to emissions). The P0420 is having to do with catalyst function. The P0440 having to do with EVAP system. There is no way for one code to have morphed into the other code.

P0420 can appear and disappear over time due to the nature of what is being seen by the computer. If the after cat O2 is out of whack a little bit for a period of time, the code will trip. Once cleared, it might not come back for a long time, or it might come right back.

P0440 could be as simple as the gas cap not sealing correctly. You car is new enough, I doubt this is an issue, but it's always good to check the easy things first.

If the P0420 doesn't reappear, I wouldn't worry about it. In the mean time, the following could be at issue due to the P0440:

The gas cap is not installed or working properly
The purge solenoid has failed
The canister is plugged and not working properly

You can try the following to see if it will clear permanently:

Remove and reinstall the gas cap, clear the code, and drive for a day
    and see if the codes come back.
Inspect the EVAP system for cuts/holes in tubes/hoses
Inspect for damaged or disconnected hoses around the Evap purge solenoid
Check and/or replace the sensor
Check and/or replace the purge valve
Have a professional use a smoke machine to detect leaks
  • Per update, now faults with P0446. Per my other question, I've replaced the gas cap, replaced the charcoal canister. P0420 remains no matter what. The thrust of my question is not related to the specific codes, but rather: is it normal for codes to change within days, essentially between readings? – bishop Mar 15 '16 at 13:24
  • @bishop A P0440 is a general EVAP code so while the computer sees a fault it can't narrow it down to a specific system. A P0446 is a EVAP vent control malfunction code. Note that both will set for a large EVAP leak and it may set a P0441 as well. So regarding whether it's normal or not, yes it is. Toyotas also don't use the type of vent valve you would see on a GM for example. And you really need to have the system smoke tested at a shop that deals with Toyotas on a regular basis. – Ben Mar 15 '16 at 19:56
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    @Ben - It's not normal for it to go to P0420 to P0440. That is the jist of the question. It's not going to morph from one code to the other code. It may go back and forth between P0440 to any of the other EVAP codes, but not from a P0420 to a P0440. – Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 Mar 15 '16 at 20:14
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    @bishop - I think I answered your question in the first paragraph. Also, you didn't mention in your question you still have a P0420 no matter what. This would still not have bearing on whether the code would morph, because in your situation, it wouldn't. Your have a second issues, with something wrong in the EVAP system. I'd suggest you have a leak you haven't found. – Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 Mar 15 '16 at 20:15
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    @bishop - That is an awesome plan. Fix the thing you know is bad first. It is a relatively easy fix. If you try to do too much at once, if something goes astray, you don't know what is going on. – Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 Mar 16 '16 at 20:32

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