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The most recent update is at the bottom. This looks interesting.

The Smoke

  • I'm confident the smoke is from burning oil. It's slightly blue, absolutely not white.
  • If the engine is warm and I am idling on a downhill slope, then the engine begins letting out a lot of smoke. If the problem does not occur right away, it can quickly surface by revving in Park.
    If the engine is 'cool', and I am on an uphill slope, I can't get the smoke at all, even intentionally.
  • There's a small amount of smoke on engine start which goes away entirely in short order. Except, of course if the engine had a lot of smoke right when I turned it off, then there is a lot when the engine starts.
  • The vehicle will vibrate if there is a lot of smoke.

Ruled out

  • The oil level is not too high or too low.
  • The PCV valve is fine. It properly sucks air while running. The rattle sounds correct. I have not tested whether it blocks air from the opposite direction. There is no noticeable air suction when placing my hand over the on the opening for the oil cap. (I have doubts on the relevance of that test.)

Other Clues

  • On those times when the engine is letting out significant smoke, if I pull in and park right then, I see dripping oil on the driveway on the way in and a small puddle under the vehicle shortly after I park.

    Here is the picture, taken from under the vehicle near the passenger side tire:
    (the bottom of the picture is closer to the front of the vehicle)
    (the space where the tire belongs is on the lower right of the picture)

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Because of your comments. I will see if I can be more specific on the source of the oil.

  • Block Test did not reveal a problem. (test details)

  • Coolant System Pressure Test (engine off) reveals a drop in pressure. (drops from 17 psi to 14 psi in 13 minutes)

  • Unrelated?: Oil pressure was low when idling a warm engine (below 10, sometimes quite a bit lower). However, smoke occurs even during the times the pressure is normal.

  • Related?: After that pressure item, and before this current problem, I incorrectly of overfilled the oil. The vehicle was driven a few times before the oil was drained out again. It is possible that overfilling the oil caused a problem.

Update, this looks interesting

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Notice that line of fresh oil shown vertically in the picture. It is definitely coming out of a seam on the side of the engine housing, and making a mess of oil on the starter, cables and tubes.

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That picture shows the approximate range of the oil. As you can see (or take my word for it), the oil only is leaking out of the vehicle at the rear end (right in the photo) of that side of the engine housing, the line of oil doesn't continue towards the front. (left in photo)

I'd appreciate you letting me know what this means.

I can't find where oil leads to the exhaust pipe. It looks like it comes straight out of that pipe.

And, again, the oil drips only occur if the vehicle has had a lot of smoke before pulling in.

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Are you really sure it's coming from the exhaust? That amount of fluid in an exhaust is a very bad sign. Maybe it drip on the exhaust from another place. –  Gabriel Mongeon Aug 19 '13 at 11:33
    
@GabrielMongeon, I tend to agree - looking at the left side of the picture, it seems like there's a lot of oil on other components as well. –  Bob Cross Aug 19 '13 at 18:29
    
@GabrielMongeon, No, I'm not, I will check more carefully. –  musicwithoutpaper Aug 19 '13 at 22:55
    
@musicwithoutpaper if you clean the engine from oil, starting for the top then start the engine and check for leak, it will be wet where the leak is. I guess it will even be easier facing downhill based on your update. Also does it's smoke from under the hood or from the tailpipe? Is it a diesel engine? –  Gabriel Mongeon Aug 20 '13 at 12:02
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@Bob, It wasn't easy. :) –  musicwithoutpaper Aug 21 '13 at 12:41
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Does the car have a turbocharger? If so, the seals in that could have gone, which would result in oil leaking into the exhaust.

I'm assuming that photo is taken from underneath the car looking up? In which case the oil could have leaked from somewhere further up and run down onto the exhaust joint we can see. Does the smoke come out of the exhaust at the back of the car, or from the engine bay area (or both)? I would expect to see at least some smoke in the engine bay as that oil burns off the exhaust (you'll be able to smell that quite clearly as well)

You can do a compression test to check for head gasket failure, which involves removing each spark plug in turn and replacing it with a gauge that reads the amount of compression in the cylinder - if the head gasket is blown, one or two will be well below the others.

Other potential sources include piston rings and valve stem seals, which allow oil to seep into the cylinders while the car is off, resulting in smoke when it's started.

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Turbocharger, not sure, don't think so. That photo, yes. Smoke from the back, yes. From the bay area, yes, not nearly as much, I can smell it. Compression test, done on the coolant system, there is pressure loss; I will research how to do the spark plug pressure test. Smoke when it is started looks minor. It is smoke when idling on a downhill smoke that makes it look serious. –  musicwithoutpaper Aug 19 '13 at 22:53
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In the end the mechanic discovered it was caused by bad oil, it was not head gasket problem, just clogged drain on the front end of the engine and nearly clogged in the back.

So, when the vehicle was tilted forward, the oil failed to drain, and was forced through and burned off.

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It would be great if you could provide pictures of the drains in question. From your description, this sounds like the kind of thing that could happen to somebody else and this would be a great source for "did you check these spots?" –  Bob Cross Nov 6 '13 at 18:40
    
Fortunately, my mechanic did provide pictures. I'll post them, but not sure when. –  musicwithoutpaper Nov 25 '13 at 14:27
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